Comments on: Opinion: The risks to liberal democracy and an effective state in Mexico https://mexiconewsdaily.com/politics/opinion-risks-liberal-democracy-in-mexico/ Mexico's English-language news Sun, 16 Jun 2024 23:21:23 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.5 By: Ferenc https://mexiconewsdaily.com/politics/opinion-risks-liberal-democracy-in-mexico/comment-page-1/#comment-6137 Sun, 16 Jun 2024 23:21:23 +0000 https://mexiconewsdaily.com/?p=352236#comment-6137 Thanks for publishing these thoughts and I am glad to see the ensuing debate.

Another (on top of the previous comments) interesting aspect of this article is the western habit of looking at every society through the lens of the need for, or level of democracy. Not every nation and culture is ready for or needs a democratic governance.

I lived in South Africa during the 90s, which was the era of the “democratic” transformation – an agenda pushed by the USA and UN to do-stabilize the country in order gain control of the rich mineral resources. In a country where the literacy rate was hovering around 30% at the time with a predominantly rural society, democracy was really not rooted in the culture and was not functioning as it was intended. This is just one of many cases where the orchestrated lie of protecting and promoting democracy was actually a means of gaining control of resources for the mighty “profit”.

Now I live in rural Mexico, in an agricultural region. From the opinion of the local people and the benefits of the AMLO administration provided for these people it is clear to see why the MORENA party is so popular and supported by the majority of Mexican people. From my observation, AMLO served the best interest of the people, the disadvantaged, under privileged classes, which are the majority of Mexico.

Sir, you’re talking about democracy, but my question is: isn’t democracy an elusive illusion? In North America and the European Union governments promote and push the interest of the ruling elite, as opposed to represent the need of the people. This is the underlying reason of a shift of politics towards the right, towards political parties which promise to represent the interest of the population. The mighty protector of democracy (yes, you guessed right – the USA) has had a single party system for many decades and the wast majority of the 350 million residents are hoodwinked into believing that choosing between blue or red makes a difference and this choice is democracy.

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By: Julie Harris https://mexiconewsdaily.com/politics/opinion-risks-liberal-democracy-in-mexico/comment-page-1/#comment-6127 Sun, 16 Jun 2024 03:41:40 +0000 https://mexiconewsdaily.com/?p=352236#comment-6127 To d s: Thank you so much for the time and effort you’ve put into your critical-thinking comments. I agree with your analysis.

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By: d s https://mexiconewsdaily.com/politics/opinion-risks-liberal-democracy-in-mexico/comment-page-1/#comment-6093 Fri, 14 Jun 2024 22:16:38 +0000 https://mexiconewsdaily.com/?p=352236#comment-6093 In reply to Amb. Arturo Sarukhan.

Hi Arturo, this article was very interesting but felt like it missed key details explaining your opinion. The lack of details makes it seem like highly biased information, as the past 30 years Mexicans have experienced the previous governments and NEED change.

Your viewpoint felt very confusing simply because no previous party worked to the favor of the Mexican people. While I do see how international agencies have noted Mexico has been sliding further and further away from Democracy, it is interesting that somehow Mexico had a better democracy when we literally had government working hand in hand with cartels. Genaro Garcia Luna during 06′-12′ almost the entire time you were serving as Mexico’s ambassador to the U.S. 07′-13′.

Your very own experience working with Mexico’s government was during a heated time where it was the closer to a dictatorship compared to now in my opinion. Mainly due to the proven fact Garcia Luna is in jail for working with cartels. I don’t think there is a “calibration” these international organizations have for governments working with cartels as that in my mind is literally the closest thing to dictatorship.

When people protested AMLO, he didn’t end up threatening anybody or like previous government and work with the cartels. Mexico has had a long history of bloody protests where people would get killed. But protests are actually going on without these kinds of government actions against the people. Please next time give facts and figures to justify your claims both foreign and local facts and figures to provide your points.

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By: d s https://mexiconewsdaily.com/politics/opinion-risks-liberal-democracy-in-mexico/comment-page-1/#comment-6092 Fri, 14 Jun 2024 21:36:34 +0000 https://mexiconewsdaily.com/?p=352236#comment-6092 In reply to Jorge of the castle.

It felt more like a lazy narration style tbh. It didn’t feel as much like a dog whistle or anything like that I don’t think. More like a quick way to say hey, I think Mexican government can lead to a bad outcome lets point to the obvious as an eye opening start to the article.
I just wish instead the author gave facts from the past 30 years as to what was GOOD and how recent changes and potential changes in the coming months can undermine what was good. Compare that against what other parties have promised and what they actually did and then identify key trends on how each state has dealt with the efforts of each party in power. Then go in depth into the federal politics and judges. This way we know why the author feels that way instead of a insert Hitler here for clicks type of laziness.
Maybe some facts about the track records of all parties to avoid bias and have purely fact based objections to potential changes in government. But this was just a lazy way to say I don’t like Mexico’s possible future with no evidence only feelings… please provide these details next time. That would be a great read for sure.

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By: Amb. Arturo Sarukhan https://mexiconewsdaily.com/politics/opinion-risks-liberal-democracy-in-mexico/comment-page-1/#comment-6090 Fri, 14 Jun 2024 20:38:18 +0000 https://mexiconewsdaily.com/?p=352236#comment-6090 In reply to Jorge of the castle.

“American ex ambassador”; madre mía. And like this government has with Trump imposing and outsourcing immigration control policies on Mexico?

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By: Amb. Arturo Sarukhan https://mexiconewsdaily.com/politics/opinion-risks-liberal-democracy-in-mexico/comment-page-1/#comment-6089 Fri, 14 Jun 2024 20:29:25 +0000 https://mexiconewsdaily.com/?p=352236#comment-6089 In reply to diegomonlava@gmail.com.

Please! I am not “right wing”; never have had party affiliation of any sorts in Mexico because I think all political parties there are broken. In fact, I have always been aligned with what in Europe would be social democracy, progressive and internationalist, which sadly is far removed from what MORENA and LO purport to be. And corruption? Really? Mexico has fallen in every single anti-corruption global and regional index this six-year term. “Strengthened its international sovereignty”?? C’mon. Like when the president kowtowed to Trump and bent the knee when he threatened punitive tariffs on Mexican exports if Mexico didn’t stop Central American transmigration? And Mexico’s international -and regional (how about those record three ambassadors expelled from LatAm countries in a single presidential term, an unheard of record) reputation and credibility are in tatters! Not much to say about your ad hominem attacks.

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By: Jorge of the castle https://mexiconewsdaily.com/politics/opinion-risks-liberal-democracy-in-mexico/comment-page-1/#comment-6082 Fri, 14 Jun 2024 17:28:42 +0000 https://mexiconewsdaily.com/?p=352236#comment-6082 In reply to Francisco Geronimo Silva Treviño.

Yes, the author is trying to stir up the fears of the Mexican minority public of elites, “Whitexicans”.

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By: Jorge of the castle https://mexiconewsdaily.com/politics/opinion-risks-liberal-democracy-in-mexico/comment-page-1/#comment-6081 Fri, 14 Jun 2024 17:27:18 +0000 https://mexiconewsdaily.com/?p=352236#comment-6081 In reply to d s.

D S thank you for bringing some factual evidence to the discussion.

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By: Jorge of the castle https://mexiconewsdaily.com/politics/opinion-risks-liberal-democracy-in-mexico/comment-page-1/#comment-6080 Fri, 14 Jun 2024 17:25:46 +0000 https://mexiconewsdaily.com/?p=352236#comment-6080 In reply to diegomonlava@gmail.com.

Diego I completely agree with you. This American ex-Ambassador would like to return to a government that did not protect the sovereignty of Mexico, especially from US American manipulation. There is a reason why more than 60% of the voters have retained and expanded the role of the Morena Party.

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By: Jorge of the castle https://mexiconewsdaily.com/politics/opinion-risks-liberal-democracy-in-mexico/comment-page-1/#comment-6079 Fri, 14 Jun 2024 17:21:06 +0000 https://mexiconewsdaily.com/?p=352236#comment-6079 In reply to US.

US, I agree. I could not find any detailed examples of evidence, only accusations. He appears to want to return the status of PRI, PAN and PRD which were really corrupt. They robbed from the working poor to line their pockets. If the had truly served he people of Mexico the Morena Party would not have happened.

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